Earlier today, in a fit of frustration, I decided to delete my Twitter and Jaiku accounts. Why? I was tired of getting “spammed” by my “friends” whenever one of them would post a new blog entry to one or many of their blogs. This “spamming” is a result of a utility called TwitterFeed where any time one posts to ones blog, the RSS feed is updated and TwitterFeed submits a tweet on ones behalf.
What ensued thereafter was a nice conversation, a point/counter-point discussion between myself and Mike McBride on this issue and what is wrong with these social media services and how they are being abused because of their lack of maturity as applications or services. We thought it would be interesting enough to share with everyone else.
If any of you use these services… what are your thoughts?
POINT: Kevin Devin
Silly as it may seem, I just couldn’t take it any longer. The posting to twitter every single blog posting was so redundant that it made me ill. As I mentioned in my conversation on the issue with Dean Jensen, there is NOTHING that I write in any of my blogs that is worthy of my “friends” needing to read, much less know about immediately. Getting the word out is one thing, but to your “friends” it is like preaching to the choir — how effective is it really? It effectively becomes spam at that point. I read blog posts in my RSS reader — I don’t need to be informed of each and every post.
So… since I’m unable to control it on my end, I’ve decided to simply delete my account. Now there is NO WAY that I can get irritated over this silliness. Sure, perhaps I’m throwing out the baby with the bath water, but I don’t think so. I can’t utilize these services at work where I spend most of my time anyway, so my participation was minimal to begin with.
I still have my pownce account… but it may fall victim to the same fate since it requires browser-only access.
I really think these social media tools are simply out of control. Too many “me too” services with one maybe two differentiating features. But all running amok. People be-friending hundreds of people and then using it to pimp themselves. The initial concept of “what are you doing” was cool. But it just seems it now overextends those boundaries and as a result… I don’t care for them anymore.
So… I’ll be available via e-mail or this list, and I’ll be watching my rss reader for things you post to your blogs. I think that is more than sufficient for the level of urgency any of these actions deserve.
COUNTER POINT: Mike McBride
Interesting. I can see your point about not needing to see blog postings, but at the same time, not everyone subscribes to my blogs with an RSS reader. Some people I’m friends with outside the tech world look at my MySpace profile, or other such services and are informed that I’ve posted something by the Twitter applet there. This is especially true of people who read my non-tech blog or are interested in Flickr photos, etc. They simply keep an eye on the Twitter feed, or a place where they can see the applet, to see what I’ve been doing, including what I’ve been posting. Unfortunately, Twitter and the other services don’t really have any way to direct something to the “public face” of my Twitter profile without sending a notification to my friends. That would actually be kind of a nice feature to have.
I like giving people a multitude of ways to keep track of my writing. That’s why there’s a choice of RSS feeds, notification email list, Twitter notifications, etc. It may seem like shameless self-promotion at times, but I’m not running ads or making any money off my sites at all. If I’m promoting anything, it’s making it easier for people to interact with and be part of the community that my sites, including FiT represent. Perhaps, as these tools mature, it’ll be easier to use them to do that, without constantly “pinging” friends with updates they already know about.
POINT: Kevin Devin
OK… so lets expand on that one. Not everyone subscribes to your blog via an RSS reader. So then that means they likely visit the site at their own frequency, no? Does anything you write require an immediate read? Those who look at your MySpace profile… same thing. They’re likely not monitoring an RSS feed, but again, anything requiring an immediate read?
Do you have any numbers of any kind to backup how many additional readers you are getting because of the twitter applet on MySpace? In comparison, how many friends are having to endure the spamming in pursuit of those additional readers? I guess it comes down to, does the end justify the means?
My point is, these services are being misused, IMHO. Sure, that is how things advance. Take podcasting for instance. RSS was not originally meant to carry with it audio enclosures, but with a little misuse of the technology, it became part of standard.
At this point in time, these services need to mature — BADLY. Most of them are having a hell of a time scaling making them somewhat useless to begin with. But what if all of these blog post notifications and pleas for people to go digg their latest blog entry were gone… how many true “what are you doing” messages would be able to get through?
There’s a fine line between “what are you doing” versus “look at what I did.” They are very close, but one is informational, the other is self promotion. I guess its the shameless self-promotion that is eating at me… it always has.
COUNTER POINT: Mike McBride
I don’t have numbers, it hasn’t occurred to me before to track who’s coming from the Twitter page. Of course, there’s no real way of knowing which of these folks might also use an RSS reader and simply see it on Twitter first, so any numbers I could give you wouldn’t necessarily prove anything. I do know people follow the links from Twitter. Not a lot, but some. I also know some people who normally don’t follow the child abuse blog have followed links from Twitter, I assume because the title interested them to take a look. Most of my “friends” on Twitter/Jaiku/Pownce come from the techie side of things, obviously, and most don’t subscribe to anything more than my tech blog RSS feed. Obviously, seeing posts from the other blog causes some of them to click over.
Also, there are some clicks that come from not my Twitter feed, but the “with friends” feed of some of my followers. Obviously, these may very well be people who are not familiar at all with my blog, and are being introduced to it through common Twitter contacts.
Are any of these new “readers” enough to justify, what is obviously considered by you to be, spam? Again, I don’t really know. I don’t really know how many people are that bothered by it as opposed to the number who find it useful either. I haven’t done the survey.
As to your claim that it’s “what are you doing” versus “look what I did”, is there really a difference? If I simply wrote “blogging” as my Twitter entry with no link, would that somehow change your opinion of the message? Which one is more informative, “I’m blogging”, or “I’ve written something about Twitter on my blog and here’s a link”? Is it self-promotion? Maybe a little. On the other hand, if I have an interesting article that I’ve read, wouldn’t the natural inclination be to share that on Twitter with a link, as opposed to simply saying “I’m reading something”? By it’s very nature isn’t something you’ve posted about something you’re interested in sharing? Why would it seem so odd to not only post to your blog, but let people on Twitter know that you have written something longer than 140 characters about it and where they can find it? It may be redundant to people who are already subscribed to that same RSS feed, but most of us have more than one RSS feed (tech blogs, link blogs, non-tech blogs, group blogs, Flickr, photo-blogs, Zoomr, etc.) so many of the things that show up on Twitter aren’t redundant even to RSS subscribers. (Unless of course, someone out there is actually subscribed to each and every RSS feed I produce, in which case I’d like to talk about a restraining order..*L*)
It’s true that none of these things require immediate attention. That’s the thing I like about Twitter compared to IM, the opportunity to put things out to the public and/or my contacts without having to put one person on the spot to respond immediately. It’s a tool to let you know what I’m doing, if I’m eating at a good restaurant, watching a good movie, learning something new, and no one needs to respond right away. If what I’m doing at that time doesn’t interest you, you ignore the tweet. If enough of them don’t interest you, you quit following me. If not enough of anyone’s interest you, I guess you quit using it, as you have. No harm, no foul. Everyone’s got that prerogative.
I think you and I can agree that these services need to mature, fast. I would love to be able to promote the stuff I’m writing without drowning my friends in updates. Pownce has a group feature that could, eventually I think, be used to do exactly that. Unfortunately, they haven’t implemented a way to post to the public, and not notify your friends. They also don’t have a mobile interface, as you pointed out, that is a severe limitation.
I’m hopeful that these services can mature to the point where we’ll all find those new ways to use the technology, on both ends. As a promotion tool, but also with tools to filter out and only receive notifications we choose individually. That’d be nice…